I recently saw a special on Sir Isaac Newton, that he believed the same thing from his own study of the Bible. Why is the Trinity so confusing? The bible says Jesus is God, and that the "Lord is one." I don’t quite understand the second bit of your question (-If GOD … Holy Spirit? My advice for anyone looking to argue about this matter: make sure that your beliefs are in line with the Bible. The Oneness, however, is evident throughout the Bible. (2) The Father is God. First, God is a God of revelation, one who reveals God’s self in our lives. Although the term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, most Bible scholars agree that its meaning is clearly expressed. There is a whole continuum of reasons not to believe in the Trinity, even if you start off as a mainstream Christian. I recently got into a debate over this very subject on line a couple of days ago. Its tenants tell us who God is, but it also tells us how we should treat one another in the body of Christ. Tozer said, “What you think of God is the most important thing about you.” Community is a buzz word in American culture, but it is only in a Christian framework that communion and interpersonal community are seen as expressions of the eternal nature of God. I would like to challenge everyone to google a man named William Branham. Why was it so important for Patrick to bind to himself the Trinity? The doctrine of the Trinity is important first and foremost because God has chosen to reveal the doctrine to us through his Word, thereby making it a biblical doctrine. your wrong its very important. I do agree, the Spirit of God cannot die, and indeed the flesh of Jesus died on the cross. “I believe in an Almighty God,” said President Bush in an interview with Al Arabiya, “and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. Scholars have determined that the 2 primary scriptures used to prove the trinity were not in the original manuscripts as they appear in todays King James bible.Those verses that were altered/added to,are Matthew 28:19 and 1John 5:7.I won't cite all my research but what I have said is true and can be verified by those interested in researching the truth about the trinity and its origin.The information is readily available and is known to be true even by trinitarian believing scholars.Problem is that coming clean on this false belief about God the Father and Jesus Christ(who are of the Godhead)would ruin their careers.Hope this helps.Best regards. 5:07 AM. The Bible does not contain the word Trinity. Notice it is used in singular form, not plural. There are lots of reasons, but borrowing from Robert Letham’s work, and in Trinitarian fashion, let me mention just three. 8:18 AM, 3/14/2018, Why the Trinity is important. And the Trinity is probably the most confusing doctrine as well. I can give a very long list to back that up. He had to keep it quiet for obvious reasons. And please, read this carefully, and take it holistically, as a whole. now before the 2nd ecumenical council at nicea, trinitarianism was already accepted by the majority(bishops,church fathers and laity) though even before the rise of arianism and the controversy it presented. I attend a Christian Church that believes and teaches that God, our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are THREE DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS. It doesn’t tell us they are three entities, or persons. God is one in essence, three in Person. Each sachet contains 7 different fruit flavors like mango, orange, strawberry, vanilla, and banana. I am told that one can not be saved without accepting the doctrine of the Trinity, yet even the most capable theological minds on the planet debate over it -- not only as regards the understanding of it, but also as to whether or not it can even be derived from Scripture! We must be doing something right. The Athanasian Creed puts it this way: “Now this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons, nor dividing their essence. I pray you all get the chance to experience it. Sorry Hawk but Jesus Christ before He came down here in the flesh,co-existed eternally with the Father as the Logos or Word. One of the best books I have ever read on this subject is "The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's Self-inflicted Wound" by Anthony F. Buzzard. The answer of course is yes. First, what does the doctrine mean? The word trinity is not even in the Bible so it's not important to true Christians. One, the Trinity matters for creation. Don't just take your pastors word for it. So, the results these products don't offer a permanent cure for the women with low libido and their partner during the issue. How can you argue recorded history? For us, the Trinity is sometimes assumed, overlooked. Christians believe there is one God who exists in three Persons. We teach that they have a common goal and purpose to help us understand God, get closer to Him, and live better lives with our fellow man. 8:44 AM. This is complex. From apostolic times to the present, they have struggled with themselves and in their misguided effort to "explain" the mystery have only rationalized their own ideas of what the mystery should be. He has authored numerous books, including Just Do Something. not God. 2/20/2013, Why is the Trinity so confusing? The Trinity is first of all important because God is important. Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the Trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim. so, ... 11/22/2014, Have you every wondered why the unique God revealed in the Bible is the Trinity—the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Why do Christians believe in the Trinity? Describing the God we worship as best we can is important to any religion. Application. I would love to discuss this principle further with anyone who would like to at james.jensen.light@gmail.com, 7/24/2011, Kevin and his wife, Trisha, have nine children: Ian, Jacob, Elizabeth, Paul, Mary, Benjamin, Tabitha, Andrew, and Susannah. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but there are not three gods. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity states there is one true God who is made up of three separate but equal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 5/3/2014, It is perhaps the most important doctrine in all of Christianity. The Trinity is not a contradiction because God is not three in the same way that He is one. 6/16/2010, Next, we have the scores of texts which prove the deity of Jesus Christ, the Son—passages like John 1 (“the word was God”), John 8:58 (“before Abraham was born, I am”), Col. 2:9 (“in Christ all the fullness of Deity lives in bodily form”), Heb. 44:6; 1 Tim. Why The Trinity Matters (Practically Speaking) 5 min read Reading Time: 4 minutes A.W. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit, still another. It doesn’t tell … God is one, and God is three. "The Trinity is important, but the question of 'threeness-in-oneness' isn't, necessarily...The current best way to explain the Trinity is to reach for the gospel narrative. But, Jesus can make atonement for us because He is fully God. Today’s big idea: the doctrine of the Trinity is important because it helps describe the nature of God. The Trinity is not simple. 5:11 PM. From Arius to Augustine and beyond, trinitarian debates have raged even among those who agree that God exists, that the Bible is true, and that it is therefore worthwhile to consider what the Bible says because it reveals the existent God. I hope this helps explain why Christians believe in the Trinity. Most people's problem, he says, centres ultimately on the three-in-one issue, "but that's not the big question about God". All users have acknowledged and agreed that the submission of their content is in compliance with our Terms of Use. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. 7), texts like 1 Cor. www.christianmonotheism.comthe challenge-----Will you ask these five questions of your pastor or trusted Christian expert? otherwise they would be lacking the 7 earmarks of the body of christ. 9:34 PM. Why Is The Trinity So Important to Christians? The Lord must take office of the name of Jesus (the Son) until all things are in subjection under his feet (Hebrews 1:8) meaning when prophecy comes to past in the book of Revelation regarding the enemy being defeated forever. Why is it called a contradiction? Ever heard of Oneness? 10:30 AM, 4/15/2019, Who knows, this might grow into a series, but for the moment, you can read one good explanation as to why a Christian belief in the Trinity is important here. Can God die? Got it.” The Trinity becomes a dusty Sunday school fact, not a fresh-every-day source of wonder. Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8). The same thing may be said about the Holy Spirit. 6:4; Isa. That’s why we get the tricky (but learnable) language of essence and persons. Please make sure all fields are filled out. 1:37 PM, 6/27/2017, All other times when you read of an audible voice from God, it is coming from the Word who became Jesus Christ in the flesh.Those that believe the trinity can never clearly understand what is stated above because they confuse God the Father with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit etc etc. Christianity, with its understanding of God as three in one, allows for diversity and unity. And the Trinity is probably the most confusing doctrine as well. 2:13 (“our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”)-not to mention the explicit worship Christ willingly received from his disciples (Luke 24:52; John 20:28) and the charges of blasphemy leveled against him for making himself equal with God (Mark 2:7). a creed is the measuring rod of a religion and is indeed manmade;however,confirmation by the paraklete or holy spirit that the nicene creed(in it's variant versions) is in accordance with scripture has been happening since jesus rose from the dead. This formulation can show us why there are not three Gods, and why the Trinity is not a contradiction. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. in Matthews, North Carolina, board chairman of The Gospel Coalition, and assistant professor of systematic theology at, (Charlotte). 3:58 PM, 6/30/2014, It makes no sense to ask what the point of the Trinity is or what purpose the Trinity serves. Jesus said he was correct. Ah, of course: three-in-one. 10:12 AM. Arguing about doctrine does not accomplish anything. Hi, it's Heffalump again, I just want to mention some typing errors that I found after submitting the above contribution. 4/30/2009, … Throughout these many years, God has been split by you in this way, being split finer and finer with each generation, to the extent that one God has been openly split into three Gods. Free subscribers can search and share thousands of articles and resources. 10/28/2014, since god will tolerate no other gods,the son and holy spirit must be consubstantially existent with him. This law states that A cannot be both A (what it is) and non-A (what it ... make it clear why it is so important to understand that Secondly, who impreginated Mary? 9:55 AM, 10/11/2017, Why Does It Matter that Jesus Was Born of a Virgin? Minds that are not fully docile to the faith have, in greater or less measure, resisted the unquestioning acceptance of the Trinity. Family relationships are complicated. A.W. For instance, every one of the trillions of cells in your body is incredibly complex. Which means its not of God, but from the lord of lies and deceit, Satan. Peter said you are the Son of God. Why does the Trinity matter? There is only one God who is three persons. Having been around this list* for a few years now, it is always interesting to observe some of the discussions that go on. It’s important to note what a verse says, and in this case more important to note what the verse does not say; for example. The bible answers this question for us which shows that at Niceae they did not use the bible to answer their question at all. God is God in this way: God’s way of being God is to be Father, Son, and Holy Spirit simultaneously from all eternity, perfectly complete in a triune fellowship of love. The Trinity Accounts for the Derivation of Love God is love (I John 4:8) and He has been love from all eternity. 5:33 PM. Really good argument, really impressive, truly is logical. 3/23/2010, Don't have an account? That is why … We say, “The Trinity. But, if you think about it, most of reality isn’t simple. This is clearly described in scripture.Jesus Christ(the Word) was actually the Person of the Godhead(which currently consists of 2 Beings)that was the God that interfaced with Israel in the Old Testament.It was His voice(hence He is called the Word)that gave the 10 commandments at Sinai and spoke to Moses. 3:16 and 1 Cor. It's available at Amazon. The one God exists in a social Trinity. Because they 1) Limit what God can do and 2) deny the Bible. Speaking to the scripture where Jesus Christ said that He and the Father were one, Jesus was stating that He and the Father were of one accord,one mind in purpose,and in agreement. Christianity today is perverse because of this doctrine. And for us to see the beauty of the divine life and to respond with awestruck worship is not something that serves another, higher, end, not something of use. Son is not a name, but a title. Describing the God we worship as best we can is important to any religion. This is why Jesus told Philip, he who seen me has seen the Father Jhn 14:9. The bible states that Jesus is the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and he is the Almighty (Rev 1:8). now unless the son and holy ghost aren't two aspects of the one triune god,then jesus just commissioned them to go blaspheme and to do so in the name of god which is illogical and heretical. Simply put, the Trinity is God in three persons and one essence. Truly this does NOT make any sense. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. May I add a fourth reason. Thankfully, that is not the case. Three persons. Holy Ghost is not. First, the Trinity matters because Jesus had to be fully God to save us. (obs) If anything could underline the necessity of Trinitarianism for practical Christianity, that must surely be it!”. Please Register. These are all conventional notions of man, and the fallacious beliefs of man. The Trinity is a key idea in Christianity but many Christians find it hard to understand – how can God be both three and one? Even this short article presents ample evidence to answer, Because the Bible teaches that God is a Trinity of three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. Worshipping more than one God is idolatry and that is the worst sin in His Eyes - worshipping other Gods. 3. This is because this great Trinity man holds in the heart simply does not exist. Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects Arianism which denies the full deity of Christ. So, let me make the most important statement about the Trinity that I can make this morning, and that is — Our understanding of the Trinity is based on what we see God has done and is doing in the world. He was a preacher who preached against the trinity and bought out some good points as well. Why The Trinity Matters (Practically Speaking) 5 min read January 24, 2017 4 min read. Furthermore, I just want to say that the more I study this topic, the more I see that is a VERY BIG DEAL in Christianity, not just a minor difference in semantics or theology that can be easily overlooked. The love of God is infinite and eternal because each member of the Trinity is infinite and eternal. This info should add some insight for future readers on this site. Third, why does any of this matter? I address all major trinitarian arguments here, please read before commenting. Second, where is the doctrine of the Trinity found in the Bible? This is a fair question, especially since the Trinity isn’t easy to understand. This does not add up, as you can not be 200%. The reason why I ask this is because the bible says that all things wee created by Him (Jesus.) www.christianmonotheism.comthe challenge-----Will you ask these five questions of your pastor or trusted Christian expert? Why does the Trinity matter? Life and Books and Everything: John Piper Talks Books, We Must Find a Better Way to Talk About Race. Water, snow, ice. Jesus made a couple of statements; He said that Him and the Father are ONE. 9/20/2012, 6:18 PM, Trinity is a false doctrine. But God is not an equation to be figured out, but rather our Lord to be loved, enjoyed, and obeyed. A group of 12 of us were seated around a large table in a conference room where we were spending the week in an intensive class on “Systematic Theology.” I was the only woman in our little group. So again, Jesus is not the second person of a trinity, but according to flesh he is the Son of man, the Son of God, the high priest, chief cornerstone, the last Adam made a quickening spirit. In fact no one has seen God at any time according to Jhn 1:18. C: If Allah asks somebody for help, surely he can’t be God. Postmodernism, on the other hand, emphasizes diversity—diversity of opinion, belief, and background—without attempting to see things in any kind of meta-unity. 12:54 PM, Very good and true observation on the Trinity. and why the Trinity is not a contradiction. Would Jesus be the Father? I believe the father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 seperate beings, but there is only one God, the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit serve under Him. This scripture does not mean that Jesus is saying HE and the Father are the same Being.That is obviously what confused Trinitarians say it means but there are Dozens of scriptures that prove otherwise.Start reading your bible from this perspective and God the Father thru his holy spirit(not capitalized because the holy spirit IS NOT a he)will clear the confusion in your mind caused by hearing years of trinity false teaching. It sounds like a really hard math problem. To understand more fully what God is like is a way of honoring God. If you look up the word "distinct", it means "separate", or "distinguished". I believe doctrine does divide.. Remember God is a Spirit, not a person, we cannot see Him, he does not have any shape or form, except through Jesus. Since the Trinity is not found in the Bible, as so many scholars and theologians admit, how did it come to be viewed as such an important teaching? 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